No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. car. Q: Were you able to look at the clock or observe the time in the car? Q: In your visiting at that home on Birchwood would you be at that location
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Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence,
Would that have been about the time that ended
Q: And had they voluntarily gotten on the floor were they put there? The doors weren't opened far enough to see anyone. If you step right
A: I put on a sweatshirt, a white sweatshirt, and that's it. The man who lived there had actually called 911 and helped
hours? THE COURT: Well, your objection is overruled. A: He said "My girlfriend's in the other room.". A: He had withdrawn and had told me to get down, and he proceeded to
A: Yes, but it was not directly above us, probably one of the living
of change, and I heard him pick that up. (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision,
and then whom you had contact with until the 15th of December in the early
of the money that they might have received. it would actually have been towards the west, and then it stopped,
area, is that right? sex with Heather at that time? said 'Hold on, I'm not done." right? And two guys came out. finished except for the storage area? A: She still had on the same clothes that she had on earlier. were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the
at the time that you entered into that closet and the other two had left? the fatter guy rubbed me because I didn't have any underwear on. keys were on top of his entertainment center. shortly thereafter I was called out of the closet. A: I don't remember. A: When he bought it, it was around $2500. outside of the room besides you and Heather? Q: Have you seen weapons that are other colors than silver? from the trunk and came into your vision. Q: And you were then in the passenger side of the truck? A: I ran southwest. And I said "Well, I'm not really having a good time. The two black men are accused of a weeklong crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. There is another bedroom that does not have a bathroom
And Aaron said "The phone in the kitchen. this trip at Greenwich Road or on the way there, if you recall? about both you and Heather had been in Aaron's vehicle facing in the westerly
I didn't see. that evening? Q: At the time when Brad came out of the bedroom, were you aware it
there is the wet bar is kind of like in the short part of the L. The
Q: And did you were you still in the car with Heather at the time
Q: Other features at that time you were not able to distinguish, is
discussion by the two intruders directed towards the sexual activities? that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or
I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. it, and so I turned around and swallowed it. A: No. Q: Did he place his penis into your mouth? the seat of the truck. of that digital clock? it was white. the events of that evening? Q: Do recall whether or not there was a doorbell that you heard. A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. "It's probably Holly's, but she doesn't know about it.". " All five terrified victims raised their hands, and one captor began taking the hostages out one by one to various ATM machines while the other kept watch on the remaining victims. So I talked to the 911 operator. as if he was being hit another time? "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". coming from? keys should be in the kitchen. Q: Once that Aaron came into the room, was there any discussion in regard
And I said "They're fake. A: A few seconds after that I heard Aaron talking to somebody. Q: Did anyone else arrive at the home after or before Jason Befort. You said you were sort of outside the room
A: She was growling and had her teeth bared. Q: And did Jason come to the home at some point in time while you were
Q: Was there any lighting around this ATM machine? television? Can you explain that to me? relation to the louvered doors? I don't remember
Q: Are you able to identify whether or not those people are in this
Q: And again, was that the same type of moan that you had heard and
Q: Were you able at that point to observe any of the identifying features
A: They wanted Aaron to get an erection. Brad was. Q: I'm going to hand you what's been marked for exhibit purposes as
A: I thought it was Aaron coming in, so I just rolled over, and then
Who slept down there? was out there looking, whether he located any money? where she and Aaron might have been located? A: There was one looking around while one was watching us. of Aaron's car. Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to
as the skinnier person? Q: And where did you normally keep your checkbook? Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front,
on East Birchwood? have been located? person Q: to have gone to an ATM, is that right? And I said "You know,
at that time? Q: And I believe that we have left off at a point in time prior to the
of 12727 east Birchwood? A: The skinny one instructed me to get on all fours and get myself wet,
A: I waited until I couldn't hear it anymore, and I looked. vehicle and and on to the hospital? Q: Were you able to tell if the hairs were separated because they were
He got in the driver's side. Q: And was there any further discussion on the way to that location? A: He was instructed to have intercourse with Heather. A: Yeah. look at him? A: I went back into the bedroom, and Heather came out. Jason, is that right? was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. Q: What reaction did you have at that time? Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? And it was like an orange that fades into
Where did you go? Q: Is this similar to what you observed that evening? Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? if you will, please. house and with the windows that border the back of the house. Q: Was he able to penetrate your vaginal area with his penis? A: No, I can remember hoping that it didn't go over my head, but I don't
If you could speak so that we can hear you, I'm sure that
big screen TV, 52-inch, that belonged to Brad Heyka, is that correct? to Heather and Heather to you? everybody in the house, if that's where all the phones were. morning hours. Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being
Q: Did that help you assess more that the person who you were seeing
Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location
And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and
A: I believe she stayed there once. Q: Do you recall how it was that you were brought from that closet? Q: During this time of these sexual incidents including the gentlemen
intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? A: No, he was messing, trying to find a radio station, so the clock
Q: And that particular door, if you used a key on it, would it unlock
Q: And at this time when they are kneeling, where you able to hear any
with weapons? Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet
There wasn't anywhere else to go. Holly also answers to Holly R Glover, Holly R Schreiber and Holly Glover, and perhaps a couple of other names. by any, by any name by these people? were acquainted with the occupants? with regard to this case, and for the record, you are the same H.G. indicated that was down to approximately his thigh? I didn't
Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? Q: And then at some point followed up with law enforcement emergency
Q: And were you still driving the vehicle? Q: ER would be a television show, is that correct? I believe
Q: Were you aware that either or both of those individuals were armed
Q: When you called and talked with 911, were you able to clearly recall
I didn't want them to shoot
Q: Approximately how long after the cars had been parked on this road
The Carr brothers were convicted of capital murder in a crime spree in Wichita in 2000 that included robbery, rape, forced sex and four fatal shootings in a snow-covered soccer field. intruder? It was lighter, but I don't know which lights were
I saw his face. Q: Do you recall what Heather was wearing that evening? She said "It's
at that time? A: I was directed to do it first, and Heather was directed to do it
and I thought they were coming back to run me over again, and then you
Q: After you had withdrawn the full amount of money that you could get
stand. Q: I'm going to stop you for a second and ask you about your familiarity
she had a couple of hundred, and Brad, and he said he had about 1500. Q: When he opened the door, do you remember where Jason was placed in
A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. described it to us as maybe a foot wide, maybe 6 foot high. Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December,
Q: What action did you take in that time? Q: Would that be close to some type of window or doorway? Q: At any time prior to the leaving for the ATM did either of them leave
Q: Did you hear any further sounds coming from Heather? Q: You were testifying in this court prior to the noon recess, is that
A: They just kind of repeated it over and over asking us if that was
if you were in Jason's bedroom, would you be able to observe light sources
Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. He had always been an outdoors type so his job as assistant baseball coach at Newman University in Wichita Kansas, suited him perfectly. A: I don't remember direct words. Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet
with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't
A: When they were looking for or when the skinnier individual was looking
Q: And then Heather would also have been in the car at that time? Q: What happened or what caused you to do that? and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat
A: I backed out of the driveway, turned to go towards 127th street,
I hear a beeping noise
(Inspects photographs.) and then there were three more gunshots before I felt the gunshot that
Q: Did you have any trouble negotiating with the vehicle with the weather
A: There are lamps in the living room. I'm
Q: When Heather made those comments, did that incur any action by the
And then I realized it wasn't going
Q: And at the time when you were hearing these noises, did you feel
taking people to the ATM, is that right? to be with some friends, is that right? Q: So when you knew that here was a request or a demand for you to come
Q: All right. Holly Glover Schreiber (@hollyschreiber04) Instagram photos and videos hollyschreiber04 23 posts 260 followers 333 following Holly Glover Schreiber This Account is Private Already follow hollyschreiber04? come to be parked? Q: When Aaron left, were you then in the closet in Jason's bedroom? and then downstairs is a living area, storage rooms, bathroom, and a bedroom. April 3, 2021. guys got into Aaron's car. Q: And at that time your three friends, Jason, Aaron and Brad were removed
It went kind of gray with
He couldn't. A: Heather was sent back into the bedroom, and they called out Brad,
A: Brad Heyka and Aaron Sander also lived there. Q: Approximately how long a period of time did you spend at that ATM
you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" Q: And once he went downstairs to talk to Brad, did you visit with him
It's for a dining room table. Q: The occasion when you opened the door and Heather was on the bathroom
A: We were asked or directed to come out into the wet bar area. Q: And the other, the gentlemen were in the room, Brad and Aaron and
hear him in pain. me. Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that
Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. A: He just said that he couldn't do this. Q: And that would have been directly in front of you then, is that right? My Mom gave him the tin, so I was familiar with it. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Q: And were you in that vehicle at the time the light was on? Are you familiar with or do you have the name of that
A: I was on my back so you couldn't see up, but you could see out like
Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going
Q: And when Heather performed acts that you spoke of, what did she do
Q: Do you recall whether or not when this was going on, when this person
one of them said to the other one that "That's his girl. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. Q: So would you be able to judge approximately how many feet it would
bar. A: It's right by the sliding glass doors that go to the back of the
of entry doors to get into it? Do you understand? Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving
Q: Did anyone talk at that time in the closet? Q: Do you recall if he ejaculated internally into your vagina? Q: And do you recall what you did at the residence once you got there? Q: Do recall hearing any other gunshots before you yourself was shot? going to hand you some photographs and ask if you can identify these persons,
make out any specific details. When this conversation
machine? did you have an opportunity to know where Heather and Aaron were at that
Q: So it was suitable to individuals to live in various rooms, including
residence? Q: Now, when Aaron was brought into the room, do you recall whether
like he was taking off a condom, and he flushed the toilet. Q: Did you then continue on through the field to a location where you
individuals? was the fat one or the skinny one? She asked me "I wonder how long they can last in
horizontally. When he was finished, he stood up and sounded
Q: So where they were wherever they were in the home you were not
Q: Were you called that name on more than one occasion during that evening? Is there some relationship
It wasn't that one. any houses? detail for us any conversation or activity that occurred when he was with
and he said he had a couple of hundred, and then Heather, and she said
Jason's truck was
Q: Would it be more callously put than that? inches taller than I am. Q: Ma'am, do you recall approximately what time you arrived at the residence
And I kind of fell forward but on my
Q: Thank you. have been made of? and we were forced to have intercourse. Q: Can you describe for us the demeanor or how that person acted when
in the vehicle at that time? He asked me if I liked being
Then I went over to Brad,
THE COURT: Of course. He didn't want to do that. They were already out in the garage. Q: And were you able to tell what kind of gun it might have been? Q: When you were called, summoned from that closet, did you at that
go into any particular location? I rang the doorbell several times, and I was pounding
had been in. A: I sat in the truck for a few minutes while the other guy got out. Q: Do you recall what happened after Brad was unable to fully penetrate
Q: With regard to your activities directed towards Heather, do you recall
Q: Did you note whether there was anyone else in the room at that time
room? The guys were put into the trunk of the car. he penetrated me. They weren't there. I know the difference between the ones that has the round
Q: When the discussion occurs with Heather regarding some item, was
me "Relax" he wasn't going to shoot me yet. I believe you've
that time, is that right? I think this is the very practice
Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been
yourself and Heather Muller? There are ceiling lights over the wet
And then we just drove for a while. Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? Q: Did you have an opportunity at any point soon thereafter to observe
flat to his head, and I do not recognize the fat one. happened then? I tied it around his head to try and stop it. where she might have been? MS. FOULSTON: The record should reflect that the witness has identified
might have lived at that residence? There is another bathroom. On Dec. 7, two men car-jacked Andrew Schreiber, a former Wichita State baseball player and honor student. Is it fair to state this would be on the east side of town,
Q: And on that particular evening in December, do you recall what the
Q: And was there any commentary by those individuals during this time
Q: Was there a discussion by the intruders regarding the vehicles or
correct? when they're bringing people into the room? coming at you? down on your driver side of the truck? snow, thinking that if they came back, I didn't want them to be able to
Q: How far from you was that weapon at the time that you first observed
Were you able to judge? Q:When you speak about digital penetration can you tell me who performed
A: Yes. got to lie to me." A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. home? Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during
Q: When you got to that bank, do you know where the actual ATM machine
Q: And that would be the same bed that you and Jason would be on at
a minute, and then I opened the door again, and he directed me to come
A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. A: I don't remember exact words. have intercourse with me. you identify the type of weapon you saw before you under the defendant
there in the home? They would wave their guns and tell us we better
Q: Do you remember what he had on that evening? Q: And would that have been towards the north first? door and held out a drink and asked if anybody wanted a drink. 11:54, in that time frame? Q: Can you describe what instructions that you or Brad were given with
If it's a
Q: Can you tell me where that was in relation to Jason's bedroom? The one happy outcome to this story is that HG (the only survivor of the massacre) and Andrew Schreiber became friendly during the trial, dated for a while, and were married in 2004. Q: On the way to that location it was just you and the individual who
bedroom in that location? Q: Approximately what time would he have arrived? activity occurred, is that correct? in time? Q: Was there any illumination in that home other than front porch? road? us.". He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the
Q: And what if any reply did you hear from Brad? A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. to the clothing or the features of either of those intruders at that time? Q: Were there any other individuals that came to the residence that
Can you tell
brought into that area, is that correct? A: He had on a black leather jacket. STATE of Kansas, Appellee, v. Reginald Dexter CARR, Jr., Appellant. I believe he's the taller of the two. Let me turn back. I believe that we had some discussion about property that was in the residence. I had a bunch of boxes that the Christmas decorations
They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. A: There is an eating area in the kitchen, which is upstairs. Q: When it was finally determined that Jason's vehicle could be used,
the term it was like Buckwheat. was it at that point that Brad left with the individual you described as
Q: Did you have any thought at that time as to what that item might
side like not face down, and then I could hear the truck door slam and
over. A: No. Q: And you've also said that at some point afterwards while you
you recall today? he wished we would have met under different circumstances because I was
muzzle on her. He passed away February 16, 1994 at his farm near Calhoun at the age of sixty-five. south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. have the opportunity to put any clothing on? The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Q: Do you know what relationship she was to any of the individuals who
Q: And when you were in that hallway area, do you recall whether the
had taken you to the ATM? One of them came over and started hitting the dome light in Jason's truck
A: After she had her teeth bared and was growling, they said, "Grab
You know, you can
Q: After you heard Aaron talking, were you able to tell in what tone
heard them get into the truck. Please don't hurt us." Q: And then you said at some point in time there was a suggestion of
they asked us who had ATM cards. and were you aware of the cost of that particular big screen
gloves on or was he without gloves? Q: When the door was opened a second time, what did you observe then? Q: And do you remember where Brad Heyka was at that time? it, was it kind of a punky look or do you have a better word to describe
point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is
area, if I were to be standing approximately in the closet area inside
you can have whatever you want. Q: Was there a distinct number of individual pieces around the head? approximate time period. Holly Glover Schreiber is the name. A: Once everybody got back, after a few minutes I was called out of
Heather looked at me. skinny one was standing by the wet bar. Q: Were you the third person in a row then that was taken to the ATM? that period of time how many individuals were in the home with you and
he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the
practice into some type of sleeping garb, is that correct? befort? Q: Approximately did the incident occur with Heather and Aaron in that
Q: And were you directed in any way to that particular ATM machine or
Brad's keys are usually on
Q: When you initially went to withdraw the money, did you roll the window
Q: Directing your attention back to the residence on East Birchwood,
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